Carl - why don't you enable 'real' 23,97 edit rates? I think most servers allow it now, and it would avoid audio resampling on 23,97fps features.
I see 23,97fps quite often nowadays, I think it is okay to use it as DCP edit rates?
- Carsten
I did a conversion yesterday, from an old dvcam. Good news is that
dvd-o-matic likes raw dv-files just fine. Might be good to add that info
somewhere?
/Adam Klotblixt
I've just reaquainted myself with the wonderful world of Avisynth, and also
the Linux version Avxsynth. Unfortunately, DVD-o-matic does not open the
.avs file under win7, haven't tried in Linux yet.
Any chance of getting support for this type of files?
/Adam Klotblixt
Hi all,
DVD-o-matic version 0.89 is now available from
http://carlh.net/software/dvdomatic/download.php
This adds a simple batch converter for setting multiple conversion jobs
off at the same time. There are also a few other tweaks.
With 3 weeks to go, the Indiegogo campaign to fund a Mac OS X version of
DVD-o-matic is half-way there! Thanks to all who have pledged money,
and/or spread the word about the campaign. If you can think of anyone
else who might be interested in hearing about it, or putting up some cash,
then do let them know.
Best regards
Carl Hetherington
Okay, it's still enough time to go for the Indiegogo project, but maybe we can find more ways to endorse it towards mac users. Any ideas which forums/sites would be interested?
- Carsten
Good day!
One of the theatres I'm involved with is in need of a preview for a special booking we have upcoming, and the only one we had access to in a reasonable format was in 60 FPS, but since this preview is to be used with a DSS100/DSP100 which does not like anything but 24 FPS, I was attempting to use DVD-o-matic 0.87 x64 Windows version (I have also tried earlier versions before now to the same effect) to change it to 24 FPS, and the outcome was that the audio sounded at least an octave lower. As it is important for our managers to be able to do this with a minimum of fuss and perhaps as streamlined a process as possible, I was wondering if there was something I was doing wrong, or if there is a process to follow for such things. I have found this to be an issue for me before now, but I was hoping that perhaps it was simply that I have done something in error.
Also, I was noticing that when I'm converting some video into DCP, DVD-o-matic will change the audio (for 23.976 FPS or 24 FPS, 44.1kHz is adjusted to 48kHz (doesn't seem to sound odd), for 29.97 FPS to 24 FPS, 44.1 kHz is adjusted to 59940Hz (becomes a lower octave, which I cannot use, 30 FPS to 24 FPS takes the audio from 44.1kHz to 60kHz (can't use), and finally 59.94 FPS to 24 FPS changes the audio from 44.1kHz to 59940Hz (also cannot use - deeper again) ( I would have thought that the 60 FPS would be even higher than 30 FPS).) Is there a reason that even if the video is at the frame rate I want, the sound still gets adjusted, and if I'm changing the frame rate, the audio resample goes up, but the sound becomes deeper? I would have thought the sound would becoming more shrill, if anything.
Again, I love this program, and the efforts being put into it is amazing, and I'm willing to assume I'm messing something up. I just would like it if I didn't need to use a different program to 'pre-adjust' frame rates to get the audio to sound like the original.
Thank you for all the work you do,
Leslie Hartmier
Am 28.04.2013 um 12:31 schrieb Leslie Hartmier:
> This having caused us trouble (and lost bookings), we simply were told by the company's owner, it must be made into DCP.
There is a point in it - but on the other hand, insisting on DCP, and at the same time forcing a 60p-24p conversion is, well, stupid, as the latter guarantees either judder or extreme slowdown. Of course, a 30->24 slowdown may look 'pleasing' at first, because it smoothes out motion, but it simply should not be accepted for a professional presentation.
Whatever, if there will be no compromise on other playback options, then you should probably go the mentioned way with an external samplerate and timestretching adjustment.
- Carsten
Yesterday I tried to make my first DCP with subtitles that were not burnt
into the source file. It didn´t work out that well, the swedish translation
was lost in the process. Yes, the checkbox "with subtitles" was filled. Am
I doing something wrong or is DVD-o-matic unable to extract subtitles from
this source file?
The source file (.mkv) origins from the sub-DCI distribution system used
for documentarys and art house movies in Sweden until now.
Source file tested on a Tvix Slim S1 running 2.1.0, subtitles visible on
screen.
DCP file tested on Dolby DSS220/IMB Cat745/Barco DP2K-10s, no subtitles on
screen. DSS220 running 4.5.4 (2).
DVD-o-matic ver. 0.80 (as I remember)
Magnus Eriksson
Zita, Stockholm
Attached: Mediainfo from the source file.
If the conversion 'looks' okay at 24fps, maybe you should try to convert the audio separately. You might run into sync issues, but it still is worth a try.
You could use Audacity's resampling features to make separate audiotracks, then use the separate audio feature of DVD-o-matic. The resampling/sampling rate conversion parameters of course need to be adjusted to match DVD-o-matics framerate handling. But maybe Carl will find a flaw in the conversion you tried.
When do you need this finished and what is your source footage format?
- Carsten
Am 28.04.2013 um 12:31 schrieb Leslie Hartmier:
> It is 60 FPS. I can convert it, and it looks good when on screen at 24 FPS after I do the extra stuff to it, and heck, it even looks great if I convert it using DVD-o-matic, the sound just...drops in tone.
>
> As for an external player, we have had trouble with using Blu-ray players, etc, in that, for some reason, some of these private bookings' content (indie filmmakers, etc) will not work on the players we bought, and I am referring to Sony Blu-ray players, no knock-offs or anything. This having caused us trouble (and lost bookings), we simply were told by the company's owner, it must be made into DCP. Using off-the-shelf Blu-rays/DVDs, I recall we've never had a failure on that, but of course, we don't have any of those, just indie filmmakers with their burned disks (some pressed, but same problem, oddly). Media players and computers seem to work fine (most of the time), but they're inelegant at times.
>
> Thanks for the response!
>
> Leslie
>
> From: "Carsten Kurz" <audiovisual(a)t-online.de>
> To: dvdomatic(a)carlh.net
> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 4:15:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [DVD-o-matic] A couple questions...
>
> At 60fps and with a DSS100, I would advise to play it from an external player - PC, mediaplayer, whatever, through the projectors DVI input.
>
> Not that it isn't possible to do this conversion, but with the DSS100 not being able to play 60fps and 30fps, there is little chance for a graceful conversion to this target system. It would need high quality temporal interpolation and, depending on the footage, may still show judder, smearing or ghosting afterwards.
>
> Is it actually 60p or 60/30i ?
>
> - Carsten
>
> Am 28.04.2013 um 11:57 schrieb Leslie Hartmier:
>
> Good day!
>
> One of the theatres I'm involved with is in need of a preview for a special booking we have upcoming, and the only one we had access to in a reasonable format was in 60 FPS, but since this preview is to be used with a DSS100/DSP100 which does not like anything but 24 FPS, I was attempting to use DVD-o-matic 0.87 x64 Windows version (I have also tried earlier versions before now to the same effect) to change it to 24 FPS, and the outcome was that the audio sounded at least an octave lower. As it is important for our managers to be able to do this with a minimum of fuss and perhaps as streamlined a process as possible, I was wondering if there was something I was doing wrong, or if there is a process to follow for such things. I have found this to be an issue for me before now, but I was hoping that perhaps it was simply that I have done something in error.
>
> Also, I was noticing that when I'm converting some video into DCP, DVD-o-matic will change the audio (for 23.976 FPS or 24 FPS, 44.1kHz is adjusted to 48kHz (doesn't seem to sound odd), for 29.97 FPS to 24 FPS, 44.1 kHz is adjusted to 59940Hz (becomes a lower octave, which I cannot use, 30 FPS to 24 FPS takes the audio from 44.1kHz to 60kHz (can't use), and finally 59.94 FPS to 24 FPS changes the audio from 44.1kHz to 59940Hz (also cannot use - deeper again) ( I would have thought that the 60 FPS would be even higher than 30 FPS).) Is there a reason that even if the video is at the frame rate I want, the sound still gets adjusted, and if I'm changing the frame rate, the audio resample goes up, but the sound becomes deeper? I would have thought the sound would becoming more shrill, if anything.
>
> Again, I love this program, and the efforts being put into it is amazing, and I'm willing to assume I'm messing something up. I just would like it if I didn't need to use a different program to 'pre-adjust' frame rates to get the audio to sound like the original.
>
> Thank you for all the work you do,
>
> Leslie Hartmier
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Hi all,
DVD-o-matic version 0.87 is now available from
http://carlh.net/software/dvdomatic/download.php
This version makes the "trim-encode" feature work, so that you can trim
videos and not have to encode the bits you aren't using.
Best regards
Carl Hetherington
Hello everyone,
first of all, thanks for the great program, I tried before to create DCP
packages with other free toolchains before, but this one makes it really
easy.
I have a small question, I'm using the Windows version on a standalone
PC (no additional encoding servers), by the way.
I'd like to be able to create conversion jobs which aren't started right
away, but rather be put into a batch for later use, as I often convert
half a dozen videos at once. At the moment, I configure the first job,
then Select "Make DCP", then configure the next job, select "Make DCP"
again, an so on.
The trouble is: after selecting "Make DCP" for the first time, the
encoding (naturally) starts right away, which means that many GUI
controls of DVD-o-matic don't respond anymore. What I'd like to do is
create all jobs, and then after I'm finished with them, start the encoding.
So far, I haven't found any way to do this. Did I miss something (which
is perfectly possible), or did I actually just make a feature
suggestion? ;-)
Greetings from Germany
Kasi Mir
Hi all,
DVD-o-matic version 0.84 is now available from
http://carlh.net/software/dvdomatic/download.php
This fixes a few bugs:
* Sound missing from the start of some films
* Incorrect frame rates on re-loading films under some locales
* Error messages on startup when forcing the language to English
It also adds a simple frame counter and frame back/forward buttons, uses a
more accurate ratio for 4:3 conversions and derives its MXF filenames from
the name of the film.
Best regards
Carl Hetherington
Hi Carl
Yes - all the folders except the completed DCP could be deleted for normal
use. Not a priority, but would be neater in the way I use the software!
Cheers
Paul
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On Sat, 13 Apr 2013, Carl Hetherington wrote:
> Since creating DCPs takes so much time, I was really happy to see that OpenJPEG has plans to extend their encoder to use GPUs. This might be the cheapest way to
> speed up the encoding, but I still have no real numbers on what to expect in performance. The graphs I saw were difficult to compare to modern CPUs/GPUs.
>
> Will it be hard to implement the usage of both the CPU and the GPU for encoding? Am I silly for hoping this might be good value, or is it better/cheaper to get more
> CPUs?
It would be nice, and there does seem to be some evidence to suggest that
a speed-up is possible. If openjpeg did it, DVD-o-matic could use it very
easily. Sadly I don't really have the time to get into it myself just
now.
As it stands, more CPU wins!
Best
Carl
Hi all,
I don't think integrating the Kakadu encoder would be a big problem, but
it would probably only be worth it if significant numbers of DVD-o-matic
users have a licence ... I'm not sure how widespread that is.
Carl
> Hello,
>
> well, that could be interesting as long as it stays optionnal since Kakadu is not open-source neither free...
>
> Best regards,
> Gérald
>
> Le 09/04/2013 12:00, FreeDCP.net a écrit :
> I think DVD-o-matic already come with a JPEG200 quality option. In video tab -> JPEG2000 Bandwidth.
>
> But a way for improve the DCP-size and a faster encoding (as you pointed in your GPU related message), could be to integrate the use of the Kakadu
> encoder like in OpenDCP or Cinemaslides.
> It's really improve the compression and give a faster encoding than OpenJPEG. (It's the encoder used by EasyDCP)
>
> Cheers,
> Olivier
>
> Le 08. 04. 13 16:32, Adam Klotblixt a écrit :
> Something I thought might improve on the DCP-size is to enable quality-based JPEG2000-encoding. OpenJPEG has an option to do this (-q according to
> documentation), with a value in decibels.
>
> /Adam Klotblixt
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Hi Paul
Sorry for the slight delay, my email threw a wobbler and I only just
received this.
> Firstly, have you made any progress on displaying the frame number under the video image?
Not yet, I'm afraid. I'd forgotten to add it to the tracker, but it's
there now! I will get onto it.
> And secondly, a new request, is it possible to have the option for the temporary folders to be automatically deleted at the end of creating a DCP (perhaps an option
> on the preferences menu)? It would make life a bit easier when the main folder is for ingesting to our server.
Which particular folders do you mean? The audio/video/info and so on?
Regards
Carl
Hi Carl,
nice work. Used a few other DCP creating tools before, was a bit sceptical at first about your 'all-in-one-converter'. However, great functionality in a single package, and, most important for me, all processing/conversion steps for video and audio explained and documented.
Now, I'm using the most recent version 0.83/64bit Windows. Seems the Trim frames feature doesn't work. Whatever numbers I dial in for Start/End, it will always create the full length DCP from my 1:31:42 source. All dialogs show these 137564 frame count (also 'Properties'). Currently I have Start 1 and End 100, but it's creeping through the full 90mins of footage.
The trim parameters do not show up in the log file. Should they?
- Carsten
Hi all,
I put up an indiegogo page to see if we can raise some money for a Mac OS
X port of DVD-o-matic. If you are interested, head to:
www.indiegogo.com/projects/dvd-o-matic-on-mac-os-x
Feel free to post any questions about that to the list or directly to me.
Best regards
Carl
Hi all,
DVD-o-matic version 0.83 is now available from
http://carlh.net/software/dvdomatic/download.php
It fixes a few bugs with padded formats and adds an option to scale to
16:9 within a Scope frame.
Best regards
Carl Hetherington
Hi Carl
Firstly, have you made any progress on displaying the frame number under the
video image?
And secondly, a new request, is it possible to have the option for the
temporary folders to be automatically deleted at the end of creating a DCP
(perhaps an option on the preferences menu)? It would make life a bit
easier when the main folder is for ingesting to our server.
Keep up the great work!
Paul
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First post to this mailing-list. yay!
DVD-o-matic is a very nice program, that I hope will grow to be even
greater. I will try to help by raising some discussions.
Something I thought might improve on the DCP-size is to enable
quality-based JPEG2000-encoding. OpenJPEG has an option to do this (-q
according to documentation), with a value in decibels.
Does the DCP-standard accept VBR-files? My web-search found no definitive
answer.
/Adam Klotblixt