Hi, I have received an error report of a dcp made with DoM 2.6.3 on Windows. The report came from the easyDCP player software. There seems to be something wrong with the subtitle track. Does anyone had something like this before? Attached you’ll find the report. All the best, Tom ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ace <http://www.aceimagefactory.net/> TOM MULDER DI COLORIST tom(a)aceimagefactory.net <mailto:tom@aceimagefactory.net> +32 498 35 88 09|LinkedIn <https://be.linkedin.com/in/muldertom> www.aceimagefactory.net <http://www.aceimagefactory.net/> Fabriekstraat 43|1930 Zaventem - Belgium|+32 2 735 60 20 _______________________________________________ DCPomatic mailing list DCPomatic(a)carlh.net http://main.carlh.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dcpomatic

The problem is quite easy to see: e.g. 964e1539-69cb-419c-9026-b67cb156994d file <LoadFont Id="font" URI="LiberationSans-Regular.ttf"/> <LoadFont Id="font" URI="LiberationSans-Regular.ttf"/> <LoadFont Id="font" URI="LiberationSans-Regular.ttf"/> <LoadFont Id="font" URI="LiberationSans-Regular.ttf"/> <LoadFont Id="font" URI="LiberationSans-Regular.ttf"/> <LoadFont Id="font" URI="LiberationSans-Regular.ttf"/> The font should be declared only one time.

line 21, 27, 46... </Font> <Font Id="font" Italic="yes" Color="FFFFFFFF" Size="48" Effect="none" EffectColor="FFFFFFFF" Script="normal" Underlined="no" Weight="normal"> <Subtitle SpotNumber="23" TimeIn="01:41:38:104" TimeOut="01:41:42:031" FadeUpTime="0" FadeDownTime="0"> Font should not be closed and reopened

<Subtitle SpotNumber="183" TimeIn="00:39:49:166" TimeOut="00:39:49:250" FadeUpTime="0" FadeDownTime="0"> <Text VAlign="top" VPosition="80"> </Text> A tip has a range of 0 to 249

Hi, Attached are the subtitles files that were used. 6 reels so 6 .srt files, combined French/Dutch (top line French, bottom Dutch). Regards, Tom > On 21 Feb 2016, at 22:47, Carl Hetherington &lt;cth(a)carlh.net <mailto:cth@carlh.net>> wrote: > > Hi Tom and list, > > On Sun, 21 Feb 2016 09:20:42 +0100 > lilian lefranc via DCPomatic &lt;dcpomatic(a)carlh.net <mailto:dcpomatic@carlh.net>> wrote: > >> The problem is quite easy to see: >> >> e.g. 964e1539-69cb-419c-9026-b67cb156994d file >> >> <LoadFont Id="font" URI="LiberationSans-Regular.ttf"/> >> <LoadFont Id="font" URI="LiberationSans-Regular.ttf"/> >> <LoadFont Id="font" URI="LiberationSans-Regular.ttf"/> >> <LoadFont Id="font" URI="LiberationSans-Regular.ttf"/> >> <LoadFont Id="font" URI="LiberationSans-Regular.ttf"/> >> <LoadFont Id="font" URI="LiberationSans-Regular.ttf"/> >> >> The font should be declared only one time. > > That should be fixed in 2.6.24. > >> line 21, 27, 46... >> >> </Font> >> <Font Id="font" Italic="yes" Color="FFFFFFFF" Size="48" >> Effect="none" EffectColor="FFFFFFFF" Script="normal" Underlined="no" >> Weight="normal"> <Subtitle SpotNumber="23" TimeIn="01:41:38:104" >> TimeOut="01:41:42:031" FadeUpTime="0" FadeDownTime="0"> >> >> Font should not be closed and reopened > > I think this is valid, though perhaps it could be more efficiently > marked-up... it's just trying to enable italic for that line. > >> <Subtitle SpotNumber="183" TimeIn="00:39:49:166" >> TimeOut="00:39:49:250" FadeUpTime="0" FadeDownTime="0"> >> <Text VAlign="top" VPosition="80"> </Text> >> >> A tip has a range of 0 to 249 > > That is a bit of a mystery. If I can get hold of the subtitle files > that were imported into DoM I can can investigate. > > Regards, > Carl > > > > >> >> Tom, could you provide your subtitle files? >> >> Does any one have the same issue? I never use DoM to manage >> subtitles, so I don't know how it's managed. >> >> Lilian >> >> >> Le 19/02/2016 16:32, lilian lefranc a écrit : >>> Dear Tom, >>> >>> It seems this packages contains a lot of errors, in the subtitle >>> files. >>> >>> I don't know how DoM is managing subtitles so I can't help further. >>> Bellow what dcp_inspect detects. >>> >>> What kind of subtitle did you use? >>> >>> Error: DCSubtitle 73025dae-0a86-4748-8284-dfef1e89b7f0: Schema >>> check: DCSubtitle.v1.mattsson.xsd >>> GM_xml/73025dae-0a86-4748-8284-dfef1e89b7f0/sub_73025dae-0a86-4748-8284-dfef1e89b7f0.xml >>> line 8: Element 'LoadFont': This element is not expected. Expected >>> is one of ( Font, Subtitle ). >>> Error: CPL d6e0c363-cd02-45af-ab18-d3233ffa7e39: Reel 1: >>> DCSubtitle 73025dae-0a86-4748-8284-dfef1e89b7f0: Last TimeOut >>> 00:19:55+10 exceeds MainSubtitle duration 00:19:55+03 >>> Error: CPL d6e0c363-cd02-45af-ab18-d3233ffa7e39: Reel 1: >>> DCSubtitle 73025dae-0a86-4748-8284-dfef1e89b7f0: Last TimeOut >>> 00:19:55+10 exceeds reel duration 00:19:55+03 >>> Error: DCSubtitle 964e1539-69cb-419c-9026-b67cb156994d: Schema >>> check: DCSubtitle.v1.mattsson.xsd >>> GM_xml/964e1539-69cb-419c-9026-b67cb156994d/sub_964e1539-69cb-419c-9026-b67cb156994d.xml >>> line 8: Element 'LoadFont': This element is not expected. Expected >>> is one of ( Font, Subtitle ). >>> Error: CPL d6e0c363-cd02-45af-ab18-d3233ffa7e39: Reel 2: >>> DCSubtitle 964e1539-69cb-419c-9026-b67cb156994d: Spot 183: >>> #<Timecode::RangeError: There can be no more than 23.0 frames >>> #(a)24.0, >>> got 24> >>> Error: CPL d6e0c363-cd02-45af-ab18-d3233ffa7e39: Reel 2: >>> DCSubtitle 964e1539-69cb-419c-9026-b67cb156994d: Timecode: There >>> can be no more than 23.0 frames @24.0, got 24 >>> Error: CPL d6e0c363-cd02-45af-ab18-d3233ffa7e39: Reel 2: >>> DCSubtitle 964e1539-69cb-419c-9026-b67cb156994d: Timecode: >>> comparison of String with Timecode failed >>> Error: DCSubtitle e765a245-6fa6-476c-823a-3e9367ddf67d: Schema >>> check: DCSubtitle.v1.mattsson.xsd >>> GM_xml/e765a245-6fa6-476c-823a-3e9367ddf67d/sub_e765a245-6fa6-476c-823a-3e9367ddf67d.xml >>> line 8: Element 'LoadFont': This element is not expected. Expected >>> is one of ( Font, Subtitle ). >>> Error: CPL d6e0c363-cd02-45af-ab18-d3233ffa7e39: Reel 3: >>> DCSubtitle e765a245-6fa6-476c-823a-3e9367ddf67d: Spot 17: >>> #<Timecode::RangeError: There can be no more than 23.0 frames >>> #(a)24.0, got 24> >>> Error: CPL d6e0c363-cd02-45af-ab18-d3233ffa7e39: Reel 3: >>> DCSubtitle e765a245-6fa6-476c-823a-3e9367ddf67d: Spot 56: >>> #<Timecode::RangeError: There can be no more than 23.0 frames >>> #(a)24.0, got 24> >>> Error: CPL d6e0c363-cd02-45af-ab18-d3233ffa7e39: Reel 3: >>> DCSubtitle e765a245-6fa6-476c-823a-3e9367ddf67d: Spot 87: >>> #<Timecode::RangeError: There can be no more than 23.0 frames >>> #(a)24.0, got 24> >>> Error: CPL d6e0c363-cd02-45af-ab18-d3233ffa7e39: Reel 3: >>> DCSubtitle e765a245-6fa6-476c-823a-3e9367ddf67d: Spot 107: >>> #<Timecode::RangeError: There can be no more than 23.0 frames >>> #(a)24.0, >>> got 24> >>> Error: CPL d6e0c363-cd02-45af-ab18-d3233ffa7e39: Reel 3: >>> DCSubtitle e765a245-6fa6-476c-823a-3e9367ddf67d: Spot 108: >>> #<Timecode::RangeError: There can be no more than 23.0 frames >>> #(a)24.0, >>> got 24> >>> Error: CPL d6e0c363-cd02-45af-ab18-d3233ffa7e39: Reel 3: >>> DCSubtitle e765a245-6fa6-476c-823a-3e9367ddf67d: Spot 111: >>> #<Timecode::RangeError: There can be no more than 23.0 frames >>> #(a)24.0, >>> got 24> >>> Error: CPL d6e0c363-cd02-45af-ab18-d3233ffa7e39: Reel 3: >>> DCSubtitle e765a245-6fa6-476c-823a-3e9367ddf67d: Spot 126: >>> #<Timecode::RangeError: There can be no more than 23.0 frames >>> #(a)24.0, >>> got 24> >>> Error: CPL d6e0c363-cd02-45af-ab18-d3233ffa7e39: Reel 3: >>> DCSubtitle e765a245-6fa6-476c-823a-3e9367ddf67d: Spot 134: >>> #<Timecode::RangeError: There can be no more than 23.0 frames >>> #(a)24.0, >>> got 24> >>> Error: CPL d6e0c363-cd02-45af-ab18-d3233ffa7e39: Reel 3: >>> DCSubtitle e765a245-6fa6-476c-823a-3e9367ddf67d: Spot 140: >>> #<Timecode::RangeError: There can be no more than 23.0 frames >>> #(a)24.0, >>> got 24> >>> Error: CPL d6e0c363-cd02-45af-ab18-d3233ffa7e39: Reel 3: >>> DCSubtitle e765a245-6fa6-476c-823a-3e9367ddf67d: Spot 150: >>> #<Timecode::RangeError: There can be no more than 23.0 frames >>> #(a)24.0, >>> got 24> >>> Error: CPL d6e0c363-cd02-45af-ab18-d3233ffa7e39: Reel 3: >>> DCSubtitle e765a245-6fa6-476c-823a-3e9367ddf67d: Spot 154: >>> #<Timecode::RangeError: There can be no more than 23.0 frames >>> #(a)24.0, >>> got 24> >>> Error: CPL d6e0c363-cd02-45af-ab18-d3233ffa7e39: Reel 3: >>> DCSubtitle e765a245-6fa6-476c-823a-3e9367ddf67d: Spot 154: >>> #<Timecode::RangeError: There can be no more than 23.0 frames >>> #(a)24.0, >>> got 24> >>> Error: CPL d6e0c363-cd02-45af-ab18-d3233ffa7e39: Reel 3: >>> DCSubtitle e765a245-6fa6-476c-823a-3e9367ddf67d: Spot 163: >>> #<Timecode::RangeError: There can be no more than 23.0 frames >>> #(a)24.0, >>> got 24> >>> Error: CPL d6e0c363-cd02-45af-ab18-d3233ffa7e39: Reel 3: >>> DCSubtitle e765a245-6fa6-476c-823a-3e9367ddf67d: Spot 170: >>> #<Timecode::RangeError: There can be no more than 23.0 frames >>> #(a)24.0, >>> got 24> >>> Error: CPL d6e0c363-cd02-45af-ab18-d3233ffa7e39: Reel 3: >>> DCSubtitle e765a245-6fa6-476c-823a-3e9367ddf67d: Spot 190: >>> #<Timecode::RangeError: There can be no more than 23.0 frames >>> #(a)24.0, >>> got 24> >>> Error: CPL d6e0c363-cd02-45af-ab18-d3233ffa7e39: Reel 3: >>> DCSubtitle e765a245-6fa6-476c-823a-3e9367ddf67d: Spot 195: >>> #<Timecode::RangeError: There can be no more than 23.0 frames >>> #(a)24.0, >>> got 24> >>> Error: CPL d6e0c363-cd02-45af-ab18-d3233ffa7e39: Reel 3: >>> DCSubtitle e765a245-6fa6-476c-823a-3e9367ddf67d: Spot 210: >>> #<Timecode::RangeError: There can be no more than 23.0 frames >>> #(a)24.0, >>> got 24> >>> Error: CPL d6e0c363-cd02-45af-ab18-d3233ffa7e39: Reel 3: >>> DCSubtitle e765a245-6fa6-476c-823a-3e9367ddf67d: Spot 211: >>> #<Timecode::RangeError: There can be no more than 23.0 frames >>> #(a)24.0, >>> got 24> >>> Error: CPL d6e0c363-cd02-45af-ab18-d3233ffa7e39: Reel 3: >>> DCSubtitle e765a245-6fa6-476c-823a-3e9367ddf67d: Spot 214: >>> #<Timecode::RangeError: There can be no more than 23.0 frames >>> #(a)24.0, >>> got 24> >>> Error: CPL d6e0c363-cd02-45af-ab18-d3233ffa7e39: Reel 3: >>> DCSubtitle e765a245-6fa6-476c-823a-3e9367ddf67d: Spot 224: >>> #<Timecode::RangeError: There can be no more than 23.0 frames >>> #(a)24.0, >>> got 24> >>> Error: CPL d6e0c363-cd02-45af-ab18-d3233ffa7e39: Reel 3: >>> DCSubtitle e765a245-6fa6-476c-823a-3e9367ddf67d: Spot 224: >>> #<Timecode::RangeError: There can be no more than 23.0 frames >>> #(a)24.0, >>> got 24> >>> Error: CPL d6e0c363-cd02-45af-ab18-d3233ffa7e39: Reel 3: >>> DCSubtitle e765a245-6fa6-476c-823a-3e9367ddf67d: Last TimeOut >>> 01:02:39+17 exceeds MainSubtitle duration 00:22:50+01 >>> Error: CPL d6e0c363-cd02-45af-ab18-d3233ffa7e39: Reel 3: >>> DCSubtitle e765a245-6fa6-476c-823a-3e9367ddf67d: Last TimeOut >>> 01:02:39+17 exceeds reel duration 00:22:50+01 >>> Error: DCSubtitle beb1f11f-6b30-4506-865d-64d4b31ef2e6: Schema >>> check: DCSubtitle.v1.mattsson.xsd >>> GM_xml/beb1f11f-6b30-4506-865d-64d4b31ef2e6/sub_beb1f11f-6b30-4506-865d-64d4b31ef2e6.xml >>> line 8: Element 'LoadFont': This element is not expected. Expected >>> is one of ( Font, Subtitle ). >>> Error: CPL d6e0c363-cd02-45af-ab18-d3233ffa7e39: Reel 4: >>> DCSubtitle beb1f11f-6b30-4506-865d-64d4b31ef2e6: Last TimeOut >>> 01:23:53+22 exceeds MainSubtitle duration 00:21:14+04 >>> Error: CPL d6e0c363-cd02-45af-ab18-d3233ffa7e39: Reel 4: >>> DCSubtitle beb1f11f-6b30-4506-865d-64d4b31ef2e6: Last TimeOut >>> 01:23:53+22 exceeds reel duration 00:21:14+04 >>> Error: DCSubtitle d6aea56e-f0e6-4d9d-bc07-8609215de903: Schema >>> check: DCSubtitle.v1.mattsson.xsd >>> GM_xml/d6aea56e-f0e6-4d9d-bc07-8609215de903/sub_d6aea56e-f0e6-4d9d-bc07-8609215de903.xml >>> line 8: Element 'LoadFont': This element is not expected. Expected >>> is one of ( Font, Subtitle ). >>> Error: CPL d6e0c363-cd02-45af-ab18-d3233ffa7e39: Reel 5: >>> DCSubtitle d6aea56e-f0e6-4d9d-bc07-8609215de903: Last TimeOut >>> 01:39:03+02 exceeds MainSubtitle duration 00:15:09+04 >>> Error: CPL d6e0c363-cd02-45af-ab18-d3233ffa7e39: Reel 5: >>> DCSubtitle d6aea56e-f0e6-4d9d-bc07-8609215de903: Last TimeOut >>> 01:39:03+02 exceeds reel duration 00:15:09+04 >>> Error: DCSubtitle 08a51ade-6043-4876-b330-9b6c7bb3a44f: Schema >>> check: DCSubtitle.v1.mattsson.xsd >>> GM_xml/08a51ade-6043-4876-b330-9b6c7bb3a44f/sub_08a51ade-6043-4876-b330-9b6c7bb3a44f.xml >>> line 8: Element 'LoadFont': This element is not expected. Expected >>> is one of ( Font, Subtitle ). >>> Error: CPL d6e0c363-cd02-45af-ab18-d3233ffa7e39: Reel 6: >>> DCSubtitle 08a51ade-6043-4876-b330-9b6c7bb3a44f: Last TimeOut >>> 01:55:53+21 exceeds MainSubtitle duration 00:16:50+19 >>> Error: CPL d6e0c363-cd02-45af-ab18-d3233ffa7e39: Reel 6: >>> DCSubtitle 08a51ade-6043-4876-b330-9b6c7bb3a44f: Last TimeOut >>> 01:55:53+21 exceeds reel duration 00:16:50+19 >>> Error: CPL d6e0c363-cd02-45af-ab18-d3233ffa7e39: Reel 7: Reel >>> duration less than 1 second (0.083 seconds, 2 frames(a)24.0 <mailto:frames@24.0> fps) >>> >>> Le 19/02/2016 16:02, Tom Mulder a écrit : >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> They are attached. >>>> >>>> You’ll notice that the dcp contains 6 reels. I also tried creating >>>> it as 1 reel but this also gave the errors. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> Tom >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 19 Feb 2016, at 15:28, lilian lefranc via DCPomatic >>>>> &lt;dcpomatic(a)carlh.net <mailto:dcpomatic@carlh.net> <mailto:dcpomatic@carlh.net <mailto:dcpomatic@carlh.net>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Tom, >>>>> >>>>> I know this player gives some errors that are not (e.g. with png >>>>> subtitles it crashes in some cases). >>>>> >>>>> Can you send ASSETMAP, PKL, CPL and subtitle folders (all that >>>>> can be sent by mail) for analysis? >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> >>>>> Lilian >>>>> >>>>> Le 19/02/2016 13:58, Tom Mulder via DCPomatic a écrit : >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> I have received an error report of a dcp made with DoM 2.6.3 on >>>>>> Windows. >>>>>> The report came from the easyDCP player software. >>>>>> There seems to be something wrong with the subtitle track. >>>>>> Does anyone had something like this before? >>>>>> >>>>>> Attached you’ll find the report. >>>>>> >>>>>> All the best, >>>>>> Tom >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>> ace <http://www.aceimagefactory.net/ <http://www.aceimagefactory.net/>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> TOM MULDER >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> DI COLORIST >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> tom(a)aceimagefactory.net <mailto:tom@aceimagefactory.net> <mailto:tom@aceimagefactory.net <mailto:tom@aceimagefactory.net>> >>>>>> >>>>>> +32 498 35 88 09|LinkedIn <https://be.linkedin.com/in/muldertom <https://be.linkedin.com/in/muldertom>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> www.aceimagefactory.net <http://www.aceimagefactory.net/> <http://www.aceimagefactory.net/ <http://www.aceimagefactory.net/>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Fabriekstraat 43|1930 Zaventem - Belgium|+32 2 735 60 20 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> DCPomatic mailing list >>>>>> DCPomatic(a)carlh.net <mailto:DCPomatic@carlh.net> >>>>>> http://main.carlh.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dcpomatic <http://main.carlh.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dcpomatic> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> DCPomatic mailing list >>>>> DCPomatic(a)carlh.net <mailto:DCPomatic@carlh.net> <mailto:DCPomatic@carlh.net <mailto:DCPomatic@carlh.net>> >>>>> http://main.carlh.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dcpomatic <http://main.carlh.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dcpomatic> _______________________________________________ DCPomatic mailing list DCPomatic(a)carlh.net <mailto:DCPomatic@carlh.net> http://main.carlh.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dcpomatic <http://main.carlh.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dcpomatic>

Why do you have empty subtitles at the beginning and the end of your files? It is not necessary for interop and it causes troubles for servers in many cases!

For smpte I recommend not to put the empty subtitle (ONLY) at the end, it is better if the mxf wrapper does it, as it know the reel duration it will wrap.

Le 22/02/2016 10:47, Manuel AC via DCPomatic a écrit : > > On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 9:44 AM, lilian lefranc wrote: >> >> Why do you have empty subtitles at the beginning and the end of your >> files? >> It is not necessary for interop and it causes troubles for servers in >> many cases! >> > What combination of factors have you seen fail for that case? I only > use SMPTE but it's always good to know. It causes display issues in some cases (empty subtitle in the middle of the reel). Subtitles after an empty one may not display. I saw it one time, but I can not say if it's a common issue. In doubt I recommend not to use empty subtitles in Interop, as it has no utility. > > >> For smpte I recommend not to put the empty subtitle (ONLY) at the end, >> it >> is better if the mxf wrapper does it, as it know the reel duration it >> will >> wrap. >> > michaelcinquin would not add the empty subtitles unless you told the > tool to do so, and it does not have access to the reel duration > because it only receives a subtitle file. I don't use this tool so I don't know how it handles the files. If you look at the versioning tool, it asks for the CPL file so it knows the reel duration. If not, you have to know the reel duration before wrapping, that's why it asks for the last TC. No idea why to let an empty one at the beginning, for me it has no utility. Lilian > > > Manuel AC >

Le 22/02/2016 20:36, Manuel AC via DCPomatic a écrit : > > The first one empty is for one of those legendary errors that nobody > has ever seen but we keep avoiding :) It goes to say that timing will > be off-sync if there is no subtitle on timecode 0. Like it will treat > the first subtitle as 0 and ignore the actual timecode, in a similar > manner it ignores an entry point. Maybe that's why I'm facing issues with 25fps SMPTE subtitles and GDC servers. Have you ever experiencing 25fps DCP with subtitles and GDC? The only solution I found is to use IOP subtitles for now... > > > The last one is for SMPTE, don't do it and just wait for a (non) > projection with an Alchemy server. > Supposedly it just need to be longer than the other content of the > reel. I would not be surprised to see a server making random errors if > the last subtitle have a very high timecode instead of the actual reel > length. > Anyone knows the reason behind that length requirement for SMPTE? It's > pretty annoying. > > > > On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 11:11 AM, lilian lefranc via DCPomatic > &lt;dcpomatic(a)carlh.net&gt; wrote: >> >> Le 22/02/2016 10:47, Manuel AC via DCPomatic a écrit : >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 9:44 AM, lilian lefranc wrote: >>>> >>>> Why do you have empty subtitles at the beginning and the end of your >>>> files? >>>> It is not necessary for interop and it causes troubles for servers in >>>> many cases! >>>> >>> What combination of factors have you seen fail for that case? I only >>> use SMPTE but it's always good to know. >> >> It causes display issues in some cases (empty subtitle in the middle of >> the >> reel). >> Subtitles after an empty one may not display. >> I saw it one time, but I can not say if it's a common issue. >> In doubt I recommend not to use empty subtitles in Interop, as it has no >> utility. >>> >>> >>>> For smpte I recommend not to put the empty subtitle (ONLY) at the end, >>>> it >>>> is better if the mxf wrapper does it, as it know the reel duration it >>>> will >>>> wrap. >>>> >>> michaelcinquin would not add the empty subtitles unless you told the >>> tool to do so, and it does not have access to the reel duration >>> because it only receives a subtitle file. >> >> I don't use this tool so I don't know how it handles the files. >> >> If you look at the versioning tool, it asks for the CPL file so it knows >> the >> reel duration. >> If not, you have to know the reel duration before wrapping, that's why it >> asks for the last TC. >> No idea why to let an empty one at the beginning, for me it has no >> utility. >> >> Lilian >>> >>> >>> Manuel AC >>> > > _______________________________________________ > DCPomatic mailing list > DCPomatic(a)carlh.net > http://main.carlh.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dcpomatic _______________________________________________ DCPomatic mailing list DCPomatic(a)carlh.net http://main.carlh.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dcpomatic

Hi, I recently tried michaelcinquin subtitles (created from srt) with DOM for an SMPTE DCP. It resulted in a DCP that reliably kills a Barco DP4K-23B (connected to Doremi Showvault) within 2 seconds. This crash is so serious that a normal reboot/power-cycle with the power switch was not enough to fix things. I had to realy unplug the Barco from the power to make it work again .. At first I didn't believe that the subtitles caused this to happen, but with re-testing the same thing happens. I use projector subtitles (cinecanvas) on this projector so they are nicely rendered in 4k (something Doremi can't do!). (All my server/projector firmware/software etc. is up-to-date!) Of course the Barco should never crash because of any input, but apparently michaelcinquin produced something nasty for it .. r. On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 11:28:54 +0100 Manuel AC via DCPomatic &lt;dcpomatic(a)carlh.net&gt; wrote: > Very little experience with GDC. I'm adding my colleague in case she > remembers any case. > Subtitles errors are rare even during festivals, but usually fatal and > easy to remember :) We have never seen our usual workflow fail, either > direct from dom or SMPTE with michaelcinquin with first and last > empty. > > Manuel AC > > On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 11:10 AM, lilian lefranc via DCPomatic > &lt;dcpomatic(a)carlh.net&gt; wrote: > > > > Le 22/02/2016 20:36, Manuel AC via DCPomatic a écrit : > >> > >> The first one empty is for one of those legendary errors that nobody > >> has ever seen but we keep avoiding :) It goes to say that timing will > >> be off-sync if there is no subtitle on timecode 0. Like it will treat > >> the first subtitle as 0 and ignore the actual timecode, in a similar > >> manner it ignores an entry point. > > > > Maybe that's why I'm facing issues with 25fps SMPTE subtitles and GDC > > servers. > > Have you ever experiencing 25fps DCP with subtitles and GDC? > > The only solution I found is to use IOP subtitles for now... > >> > >> > >> The last one is for SMPTE, don't do it and just wait for a (non) > >> projection with an Alchemy server. > >> Supposedly it just need to be longer than the other content of the > >> reel. I would not be surprised to see a server making random errors if > >> the last subtitle have a very high timecode instead of the actual reel > >> length. > >> Anyone knows the reason behind that length requirement for SMPTE? It's > >> pretty annoying. > >> > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 11:11 AM, lilian lefranc via DCPomatic > >> &lt;dcpomatic(a)carlh.net&gt; wrote: > >>> > >>> Le 22/02/2016 10:47, Manuel AC via DCPomatic a écrit : > >>>> > >>>> On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 9:44 AM, lilian lefranc wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Why do you have empty subtitles at the beginning and the end of your > >>>>> files? > >>>>> It is not necessary for interop and it causes troubles for servers in > >>>>> many cases! > >>>>> > >>>> What combination of factors have you seen fail for that case? I only > >>>> use SMPTE but it's always good to know. > >>> > >>> It causes display issues in some cases (empty subtitle in the middle of > >>> the > >>> reel). > >>> Subtitles after an empty one may not display. > >>> I saw it one time, but I can not say if it's a common issue. > >>> In doubt I recommend not to use empty subtitles in Interop, as it has no > >>> utility. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> For smpte I recommend not to put the empty subtitle (ONLY) at the end, > >>>>> it > >>>>> is better if the mxf wrapper does it, as it know the reel duration it > >>>>> will > >>>>> wrap. > >>>>> > >>>> michaelcinquin would not add the empty subtitles unless you told the > >>>> tool to do so, and it does not have access to the reel duration > >>>> because it only receives a subtitle file. > >>> > >>> I don't use this tool so I don't know how it handles the files. > >>> > >>> If you look at the versioning tool, it asks for the CPL file so it knows > >>> the > >>> reel duration. > >>> If not, you have to know the reel duration before wrapping, that's why it > >>> asks for the last TC. > >>> No idea why to let an empty one at the beginning, for me it has no > >>> utility. > >>> > >>> Lilian > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Manuel AC > >>>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> DCPomatic mailing list > >> DCPomatic(a)carlh.net > >> http://main.carlh.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dcpomatic > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > DCPomatic mailing list > > DCPomatic(a)carlh.net > > http://main.carlh.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dcpomatic > > > > -- > http://akadcp.com/ > https://www.facebook.com/akadcp > > > _______________________________________________ > DCPomatic mailing list > DCPomatic(a)carlh.net > http://main.carlh.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dcpomatic _______________________________________________ DCPomatic mailing list DCPomatic(a)carlh.net http://main.carlh.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dcpomatic