23 Oct
2014
23 Oct
'14
10:42 a.m.
Hi Carl,
I recently received a few questions from users which wanted to import image sequences for
video. I had to pinpoint them towards the fact that you can select multiple images with
'Add file' as well as with 'Add directory'. They didn't understand
that by using 'Add file', the images would be interpreted as single objects,
creating a sequence of slides, and by using 'add directory', they would be
interpreted as an image sequence for moving image.
I would like to make this more clear in the naming/translation of the 'add
directory' - however - which consequence will it have when using 'add
directory' with other media types, can you tell us which interpretation is behind that
option in contrast to add file with a multi-file selection? Because if it only works with
image sequences for video, we could just as well name it that way.
- Carsten
23 Oct
23 Oct
1:32 p.m.
That's what "Add directory" is there for, image sequence!! Now makes
sense...
I remember trying to use it for adding several mono sound files, I
think it doesn't work for that?
Thanks!
Manuel AC
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 6:42 AM, Carsten Kurz <audiovisual(a)t-online.de> wrote:
Hi Carl,
I recently received a few questions from users which wanted to import image sequences for
video. I had to pinpoint them towards the fact that you can select multiple images with
'Add file' as well as with 'Add directory'. They didn't understand
that by using 'Add file', the images would be interpreted as single objects,
creating a sequence of slides, and by using 'add directory', they would be
interpreted as an image sequence for moving image.
I would like to make this more clear in the naming/translation of the 'add
directory' - however - which consequence will it have when using 'add
directory' with other media types, can you tell us which interpretation is behind that
option in contrast to add file with a multi-file selection? Because if it only works with
image sequences for video, we could just as well name it that way.
- Carsten
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6:45 p.m.
Hi Manual,
No, it doesn't work for sound files at present.
Best,
Carl
On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 09:32:36 -0400
Manuel AC <manuel.acevedo(a)civantos.com> wrote:
That's what "Add directory" is there
for, image sequence!! Now makes
sense... I remember trying to use it for adding several mono sound
files, I think it doesn't work for that?
Thanks!
Manuel AC
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 6:42 AM, Carsten Kurz
<audiovisual(a)t-online.de> wrote:
--
Hi Carl,
I recently received a few questions from users which wanted to
import image sequences for video. I had to pinpoint them towards
the fact that you can select multiple images with 'Add file' as
well as with 'Add directory'. They didn't understand that by using
'Add file', the images would be interpreted as single objects,
creating a sequence of slides, and by using 'add directory', they
would be interpreted as an image sequence for moving image.
I would like to make this more clear in the naming/translation of
the 'add directory' - however - which consequence will it have when
using 'add directory' with other media types, can you tell us which
interpretation is behind that option in contrast to add file with a
multi-file selection? Because if it only works with image sequences
for video, we could just as well name it that way.
- Carsten
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6:45 p.m.
On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 12:42:27 +0200
Carsten Kurz <audiovisual(a)t-online.de> wrote:
Hi Carl,
I recently received a few questions from users which wanted to import
image sequences for video. I had to pinpoint them towards the fact
that you can select multiple images with 'Add file' as well as with
'Add directory'. They didn't understand that by using 'Add file', the
images would be interpreted as single objects, creating a sequence of
slides, and by using 'add directory', they would be interpreted as an
image sequence for moving image.
I would like to make this more clear in the naming/translation of the
'add directory' - however - which consequence will it have when using
'add directory' with other media types, can you tell us which
interpretation is behind that option in contrast to add file with a
multi-file selection? Because if it only works with image sequences
for video, we could just as well name it that way.
Hi Carsten,
It's a bit clumsy as it is. Two (and a half) options spring to mind:
1. make "add directory" work with image sequences only (that are to be
run at film rates e.g. 24fps) and re-name it
2. make "add directory" work with anything, then pop up a dialogue box
to choose between interpreting multiple image files as single objects
or moving images
3. as per 2, except guess (e.g. < 120 images must be separate, > 120
must be moving) and provide a means to fix wrong guesses.
Any thoughts or other suggestions?
Thanks,
Carl
7:04 p.m.
Am 23.10.2014 um 20:45 schrieb Carl Hetherington:
Any thoughts or other suggestions?
If your only intention for it was/is to use it for image-sequence-for-video, then I would
try to find a better name for that button.
If it can be used for other assets, then maybe not.
What would it do with video or audio? Could we stop it from doing anything with video or
audio or subtitles?
So far it seems to appear to some people like a means to add one file (Add file...) or
multiple files (Add directory...).
- Carsten
7:15 p.m.
On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 21:04:03 +0200
Carsten Kurz <audiovisual(a)t-online.de> wrote:
Am 23.10.2014 um 20:45 schrieb Carl Hetherington:
That was the initial idea, as it's not always easy to manually
select a hundred thousand image files.
Any thoughts or other suggestions?
If your only intention for it was/is to use it for
image-sequence-for-video, then I would try to find a better name for
that button. If it can be used for other assets, then maybe not.
I don't see why not... if people are expecting that, it's probably
worth implementing it.
What would it do with video or audio? Could we stop it
from doing
anything with video or audio or subtitles?
So far it seems to appear to some people like a means to add one file
(Add file...) or multiple files (Add directory...).
It could be that... it could just add anything in that directory
(video, audio, subtitles, whatever). Or we could rename it and just
make it take images (like it does now).
Cheers,
Carl
7:25 p.m.
Am 23.10.2014 um 21:15 schrieb Carl Hetherington:
It could be that... it could just add anything in that directory
(video, audio, subtitles, whatever). Or we could rename it and just
make it take images (like it does now).
In that case, I would think it's better to hint at the possibility to add multiple
files with the first button, and to only add image-sequence with the second for now. As it
deals with a special placement of a frame sequence, I couldn't think of a good reason
why we would have two means to add multiple files of video, audio and subtitles, with both
buttons?
Like 'Add file(s)'... and then it becomes a little bit difficult already. 'Add
image sequence' 'Add single image sequence'? More english suggestions? Needs
to fit the button size as well...
I'll take care of the german wording ;-)
- Carsten
24 Oct
24 Oct
11:14 a.m.
Hello,
I might sound weird but I really think there's no need to change
anything about thoses buttons dealing with images sequence, or slide, or
files, as it will probably add confusion.
We're dealing here with DCP so it is assumed that "images folder" is
"images-sequence-folder". What may lacks is the same logic for sound,
where "sound-folder" would be one folder containing one file per audio
track for the corresponding "image-folder". But then you could rightly
answer me that Open DCP does that job !
But those notices are very interesting : it shows that somehow
DCP-o-Matic could almost become a NLE editing tool or a kind of
/playlist-maker-into-one-DCP/… Without going so far the ability to
organize sub-folder in the display box (or timeline) might help to
associate / match image and audio contents ? And consequently the
ability to add already-done-DCP as a part of the final DCP.
That sounds like a totally other project.
I'd rather see something like a DCP-o-Matic plugin for "OpenShot Video
Editor" (or other NLE editor) allowing video rendering straight into DCP...
…well sorry what was the question ?
:-D
Best regards,
Gérald
Le 23/10/2014 21:25, Carsten Kurz a écrit :
Am 23.10.2014 um 21:15 schrieb Carl Hetherington:
It could be that... it could just add anything in
that directory
(video, audio, subtitles, whatever). Or we could rename it and just
make it take images (like it does now).
In that case, I would think it's better to hint at the possibility to add multiple
files with the first button, and to only add image-sequence with the second for now. As it
deals with a special placement of a frame sequence, I couldn't think of a good reason
why we would have two means to add multiple files of video, audio and subtitles, with both
buttons?
Like 'Add file(s)'... and then it becomes a little bit difficult already.
'Add image sequence' 'Add single image sequence'? More english
suggestions? Needs to fit the button size as well...
I'll take care of the german wording ;-)
- Carsten
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11:53 a.m.
Am 24.10.2014 um 13:14 schrieb Gérald Maruccia:
Hello,
I might sound weird but I really think there's no need to change anything about
thoses buttons dealing with images sequence, or slide, or files, as it will probably add
confusion.
Well, certainly 'Add File(s)' is completely okay. But 'Add directory' is
actually confusing now - as you have proved yourself in your previous post. It just could
be clearer on the difference between the two.
Of course, one could simply improve the documentation on that, but I still think the
'add directory' button should be renamed.
Again, the issue with DCP-o-matic is - should we help/encourage people creating DCPs who
do not bother reading the documentation first? ;-)
Then of course, documentation is very often a weak point in open software projects, and
the docs for DCP-o-matic are no exception. I wish there would be an easy way to work on
the documentation collaboratively in all relevant languages. The guys who contacted me
about the problems with single image sequences were not good in understanding english
anyway, and as long as there is no documentation in other languages, we should keep the
localized GUI as descriptive as possible. Aside from RTFM issues - there is no point in a
GUI being unnecessary cryptic ;-)
And I guess Carl is not really strict about that button name staying the way it is now. At
the time he implemented it, there was probably no real cause to think about a different
name. I am nearly sure we'll find it renamed in one of the next versions anyway. Then
it's up to the 'localizers' ;-)
Carl - not tyring (;-) to make this issue more complicated, but taking up your
suggestions, when I choose to import an image sequence in Quicktime Pro Player, I get
this:
- Carsten
1:25 p.m.
[snip]
Again, the issue with DCP-o-matic is - should we
help/encourage
people creating DCPs who do not bother reading the documentation
first? ;-)
Absolutely, IMHO :)
Then of course, documentation is very often a weak
point in open
software projects, and the docs for DCP-o-matic are no exception. I
wish there would be an easy way to work on the documentation
collaboratively in all relevant languages. The guys who contacted me
about the problems with single image sequences were not good in
understanding english anyway, and as long as there is no
documentation in other languages, we should keep the localized GUI as
descriptive as possible. Aside from RTFM issues - there is no point
in a GUI being unnecessary cryptic ;-)
I haven't found a good collaborative translation tool for book-type
content. As it stands, I think a translator would be best translating
doc/manual/dcpomatic.xml (DocBook source). Sadly the manual is always
up to date...
Carl - not tyring (;-) to make this issue more
complicated, but
taking up your suggestions, when I choose to import an image sequence
in Quicktime Pro Player, I get this:
Interesting... you can set that up in the "Timing" tab after import.
Maybe it's better to have a dialogue like that so that the user is
forced to think about it...
Best,
Carl
2:10 p.m.
Am 24.10.2014 um 15:25 schrieb Carl Hetherington:
Interesting... you can set that up in the "Timing" tab after import.
Maybe it's better to have a dialogue like that so that the user is
forced to think about it...
Yes, also, this is a nice way to add some more options other that settings in preferences
and adjusting it later. And I think a chooser like this doesn't really add complexity,
you make a quick selection after understanding what it's for, and your done.
Of course, we're entering shallow waters once we start to think about which moving
image frame rates we should offer there - 'real world' input frame rates, e.g.
also 23,98 (if external audio is referenced to that), or allow more options when
'allow non standard frame rates' is checked in 'advanced prefs'...
My suggestion is - allow any real world frame rate there - 23.98, 24, 25,29.97, 30, 48,
50, 59.97, 60 - then let people decide what to do with them as is now with either choosing
a manual or Auto DCP frame rate.
Maybe add an asterisk or ('preferred') to 24 so people get a quick glance about
their best option.
This will allow to import separate audio with it as well and apply the proper resampling
if needed, when the audio is referenced to the input frame rate and 48.000kHz.
Then only some very few useful still image rates, like 5s/frame, 10s/frame, 20s/frame or
so, as these can always be adjusted later, and people will usually add few images for this
application anyway, so individual or collective adjustments can be done very fast
afterwards.
- Carsten
1:08 p.m.
On Fri, 24 Oct 2014 13:14:32 +0200
Gérald Maruccia <gerald.maruccia(a)yahoo.fr> wrote:
Hello,
We're dealing here with DCP so it is assumed that
"images folder" is
"images-sequence-folder". What may lacks is the same logic for sound,
where "sound-folder" would be one folder containing one file per
audio track for the corresponding "image-folder". But then you could
rightly answer me that Open DCP does that job !
I've changed "Add folder" to "Add image sequence" in 1.76.6, so
we'll
see how that works. The only reason to have two buttons is that you
don't really want people to have to select hundreds of thousands of
image files, so I think you need the option to add a folder.
Of course you can add sound files using "Add file(s)". I don't think
it would be much help to add a folder of sound files as there will
probably only be 8 at most for the vast majority of cases, so they are
quite easy to select.
But those notices are very interesting : it shows that
somehow
DCP-o-Matic could almost become a NLE editing tool or a kind of
/playlist-maker-into-one-DCP/… Without going so far the ability to
organize sub-folder in the display box (or timeline) might help to
associate / match image and audio contents ? And consequently the
ability to add already-done-DCP as a part of the final DCP.
It sort-of is already: if you click "Timeline" you see all the content
in the project and you can drag it about to rearrange it.
The intent here is not to go much further than being able to make
slideshows, or stick things together. As you say, it would make more
sense to incorporate DCP export into OpenShot or something rather than
make another full NLE.
Best regards,
Carl
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